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3/18/12

The Walking Dead Season Finale Open Thread

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This is it! The season closer...a horde of zombies descending on Hershel's farm. Who is going to become zombie food, and who is going to make it out alive? Are we going to see more of Randall's group? Can the group make it without Shane? These questions and more in what's certain to be an action-packed season finale.

While many have complained about the slow pace of season 2, it's also given us time to get to know the characters and get attached to them--ok, maybe not T-Dog or Maggie's siblings, but everybody else. When something happens to one of those characters, it's big. The Walking Dead has become my favorite bit of zombie-ness and has really transcended much of the genre to become truly great TV, which is a rare thing these days.

Here is your place to discuss the episode--plot developments, scenes, characters, things you noticed and things you would have done differently. Be civil, have fun!

43 comments :

  1. T-Dog will definitely live, as will Rick, Lori, Carl, Glenn, Andrea, Maggie and Hershel, the rest are up for zombie food.

    The reason I say T-Dog will live is because he's basically Tyrese without the daughter and her boy friend and Michonne will need a love interest next season.

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    1. I think your list of survivors is close. I don't see Hershel making it through the "Prison" episodes. I think Daryl has a shot at surviving. I don't think T-dog will make it through the prison episodes either. I agree he will most likely be Michonne's love interest.

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  2. how did Shane come back? he wasn't bitten, is it airborne now?

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    1. Apparently someone didn't watch the finale...

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  3. How did the other zeds come back without being bitten? We don't' know what causes it yet (even in the comic). Let's just say there's something afoot here!

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  4. Here's something to consider. The zombie virus (ZV) is nanotech, possibly alien? Bear with me. Upon infection, the ZV replicates itself along neuromuscular pathways. The reanimated are compelled to feed and thus spread the ZV. Something about being bit and the ZV seems to be a binary weapon. If people just die without being bit or otherwise injured by the zeds, they still reanimate. Something about dying releases the ZV. Still not sure how. But then again I don't have any alien nanotech lying around with the owner's manual...

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  5. ctsheepdogMarch 18, 2012

    A machete-wielding apparition with two armless zombies on chain leashes?! OMG!

    Oh yeah, she had breasts too! A minion of The Governor ?

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    1. I am pretty sure that was a katana and not a machete. I believe the hooded character is Michonne.

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    2. Yeeah, the cheese factor just went through the roof. Really they were kinda keeping it kinda realistic, aside from the zombies. Now they are making head shots from moving vehicles, got some chick leading zombies around on a leash without them getting excited, lets not forget the hood to keep the mystery and suspense. Or perhaps it is to make it more comic book like.

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    3. It's a zombie TV show based on a comic book, we're not going to get hyper realism!

      The hood was needed because the actor playing the character (Michonne) was not cast at the time.

      IIRC, she has the pet zombies (notice no arms) in order to disguise her scent when moving among walkers. The pets don't last long.

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    4. thought it was interesting she also cut off the bottom jaw so they couldn't bite her.

      I saw the girl they cast for Michonne on twitter. She seems a good fit for the role. (aesthetically speaking)

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  6. Well didn't see that coming. All infected. Big government viral release? Ah well who knows? And what's the deal with the sword wielding cloaked figure? Dang.

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  7. It looks as if Rick finally has decided to take the bull by the horns. I never knew that this was based on a comic book. So I spent some time looking up the characters on wikipedia. Have they announced when the next season comes out?

    Ray Ray

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  8. Dang.... Rick is still alive... and has now become the dictator he has been dropping hints of all along.

    Spoiler folks. Mark my words.

    Star Wars theme please... Shane is Carl's father... as well as the one Lori is carrying. (Yup..... Rick is a full on cuckold) They had obviously been having an affair "pre-appocalypse" ... why do you think they hooked up so fast after??

    Lori was stunned when she heard Rick killed Shane (but she knew what she started off would end up that way)... but when she found out Carl had put the final nail in Shane's coffin.. that's when she went off on Rick... cause she knew how sick it was that Carl had just been put in a position to kill his own (real) father.

    I always giggle when I look at Rick now. (Try not to forget this was called well ahead of time and don't look so shocked when you find out next season)

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  9. Venezuelan SurvivalistMarch 18, 2012

    Good season finale, I think that we finally are gonna see some improvements in the characters. Nevertheless i still get pissed about a couple of things:

    -Lori WTF? she complains the entire season of Shane`s behavior and when rick finally do something about it she`s pissed? Men..

    -Ammo and gas, they spend it like its grown in trees. They ought to realize that once they run out of either that's it, back to bow and arrows and melee weapons

    -Rick finally standing up is actually cool, i mean how much time did they waste making stupid decisions? Now it`s all up to him but i guess he will still consider the opinion of the group.

    -As for the samurai chick that save`s andrea, Wow just wow. What a badass haha.

    All and all a great season finale, cant wait for the next season

    Saludos!

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  10. Back to an almost real lesson learned from the show.

    The team failed to established at least two Rally Points in case of a situation or significant event. Depending on the direction of the threat and the mode of travel, the group needed at least two if not more Rally Points and preferably agreed upon direction of travel. Once split, everyone would have a chance for rejoining the group.

    Also in all of their travels, could they have not scarfed a few CB radios for the vehicles. A basic set of communications would be invaluable at the moment.

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    1. Would have, could have, should have. In the end it is only a weekly soap based upon comic book fiction.

      Where were the defense plans? Where were the Bug Out Bags? Where were the 72 hour kits? Where was the zombie proof safe room in the home? Where were their fall back positions and emergency supplies? What supplies did they stock into their Bug Out Vehicles? Did they have full tanks of gas in the vehicles with additional gas cans filled?

      Again, another weekly soap opera based upon comic book fiction. Somebody hire a Prepper or zombie paranoid freak from one of the Doomsday shows as a consultant for a little believable realism.

      Can't take it seriously.

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    2. Agreed--the show is not going to be survival realistic, but it CAN point out the importance of such things. An object lesson, I suppose.

      Things you can observe the survivors would have needed:

      - Rally points
      - Communications gear (walkies would have saved lives)
      - Go bags
      - Extra fuel, food stored with vehicles

      And so on.

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  11. Great ending - and leaves next season looking really good as well. Guess zombie herd determined very quickly who was staying and going at the farm.

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  12. So much action in the last two episodes! I can't wait for next year...meanwhile I'm planning to investigate the graphic books to see what's going to happen. Glad to see Shane go, he was being driven crazy by Rick's wife (wish she was one of the fatalities..darn it!) Very glad Daryl made it -- I have a crush on him!

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    1. On the comic books - the show is different in many ways from the comics...many of the plot points and characters are the same, but there are major differences.

      The comic is also really brutal and dark...not just the zombie gore. There's kids getting killed in horrible ways, people getting raped, etc. Too much for me, so I've been glad the show has taken a different route.

      Anyways, don't get into the comic expect the same stuff as the show--it's not!

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  13. Why do they only have knives as back-ups? Every farm I ever been on has a whole host of implements that can be used up close far better than folding knifes. They did show some of them last episode when they finally checked the perimeter fence. Roofing hammer or hatchet, pitchfork, "corn knife" (a homemade machete) or even a ball peen hammer would be better than a 3 inch blade vs. a walker. Did they forget about them between eposodes? And where was Herscahl's drum mag for that shotgun? That's the only way for that many shots w/o reload.

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  14. Emergency Response Protocols: Establishing Operational Guidelines for Times of Crisis :
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA5Pn0fGwtY&list=UUhi60KqKNYc2lrw2nhtdkNg&feature=plcp

    Is the only thing this episode make think about.

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  15. Yeah a litte common sense would have been nice.. Your on the highway with hundreds of cars around and you don't get any gas, don't dump the junker suburban for another better vehicle and pick up a couple of other vehicles and supplies. And you campout in the open in some ruined foundation when it is really obvious by the nice pond and fence and just up the road the power poles that there is some kind of shelter very close and they don't do any recon on the immediate area before it gets dark. I guess the shot at the end was the prison someone else taked about so they are going there next and could not give it away.

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  16. RomeroNJulietMarch 19, 2012

    I agree with Anon that Hershel had an invisible drum-mag, that, or he was channeling the spirit of Ash from the Evil Dead.

    Honestly, I'm a little sad that they didn't make a bit of a stand in the farmhouse, alla Night of the Living Dead. Then again, bugging out seemed the more prudent idea at the time.

    We all seem to love discussing the pitfalls of the group. My question: did they even bother to take the supplies they'd left on the hood of the car for Sophia? Talk about easy pickings...

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  17. I've been saying this all along! Why did they think the farm house was some impenetrable fortress. I know its TV but almost all of their decisions are wrong. Somehow these idiots are alive and everyone else on earth is dead??? Great show but these characters need to be a little brighter. First step is to get a car that actually makes sense. They basically have their pick of any vehicle ever made and they pick a giant gas hungry RV that always breaks down and a few mom-mobiles. Get something good at off-roading or maybe something that could offer protection. Maybe even find an APC somewhere--seems like theirs army stuff everywhere for the taking. Load the thing up with food, guns, ammo etc. I dunno, again its a great show and this was the best episode yet, but a little common sense on the part of the characters--just a little--would go a long way.

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    1. Yeah where are all the assault rifles gone FFS? I thought America was full of AR-15s? Go house to house!!!

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    2. This show is being written by Hollywood liberals. Assault rifles are Politically Incorrect.

      Only hunting rifles with scopes (Dale), shotguns (Glenn, Hershel , Tdog) glocks (because they have become ubiquitous) and Rick's old fashioned revolver. (And oh... crossbow anyone??)

      They even had their guns confiscated by Hershel at one point. And Dale (the real liberal character in the group) was just all too happy to continue to try to keep guns from the group by hiding them. The libs must have really loved that episode.

      Never forget this show is being written by liberals and that their slant will always be there. I currently see them trending towards "guns are even bad in a zombie apocalypse". They are trying to show that gunshots only attract zombies... so it's better to just not have a gun and that a 3 inch knife, crossbow or katana is far more effective. (Hollywood...)

      The good news is that there wont be many liberals left if they ever have to attempt to defend themselves in a "zombie" apocalypse with those tools.

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    3. RomeroNJulietMarch 20, 2012

      Rather than a "Hollywood" or "Liberal" slant, I feel that the characters demonstrate a general sense of obliviousness and unpreparedness. Like the vast majority of Americans, they would rather be comfortable now than prepare for tomorrow. (Think of the Ant and the Grasshopper). They cling to the comforts of home and civilization, rather than adapting to their environment. All except Shane, that is, but he eventually lost his grip on reality as well..

      I'll grant you that assault rifles carry an image of military power (and terrorism, if you include the AK-47). However, the characters may have learned, due to ammo shortages, that well placed shots outweigh the greater firepower of assault weapons. What good are 600 rounds a minute unless you land a headshot? Still, gathering as many supplies as you can is always a good strategy, since you can decide later which ones are worth carrying. Given that the walkers are attracted by sound (a central plot point), silent weapons make a great deal of sense...though, perhaps larger melee weapons, rather than short knives.

      Anyway, I don't consider the show to be a liberal plot to discredit assault weapons...though, as a gun owner and social liberal, perhaps I'm in on the conspiracy....(spooky sounds)

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    4. Romero,

      I don't think anyone is suggesting there is a conspiracy. Libs openly wish to remove guns from civilian hands.

      And I think you make his point... only a lefty would determine the solution to "too much noise attracts zombies" would be to replace your guns with knives, sticks and rocks.

      A righty would simply scavenge firearms that are silencer capable. And unless you are like Hershel and have a magic shotgun with unlimited ammo capacity, a person would want a high capacity rifle such as an MP-5 with silencer attached. I bet you don't have anything like that in your personal inventory because they "carry an image of military power". God forbid.

      You also might not want to mischaracterize these weapons as only being utlized at "600 rounds a minute". No one who knew what they were doing in this situation would be using the "happy" switch. Semi auto would be the order of the day with one pull of the trigger, one zombie down. And doing so you have a good stand off weapon where you don't have to get so close to the zombies that their blood spatters all over your hands, face and clothes.

      But the lefties can continue to use their "melee" weapons.

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    5. Just a quick thought on military vehicles, armored personel carriers like M113's and Bradley fighting vehicles run on diesel and measure fuel consuption in gallons per mile rather than miles per gallon ( ok a SLIGHT exaggeration but their mileage sucks big time), Military trucks and Humvee's are almost as bad. I kept expecting the 2 wheel drive cars and light trucks to bog down(espically when T-dog made that wild u-turn and ran into the ditch)
      No scrounging the military M16 series weapons lying around in season 1 was just dumb. Thinking back, I'm pretty sure I saw loaded pistol magazines on the belt of the walker soldier in the tank Rick hid in during season 1.BTW I think that tank was an Abrams and not a M60 whoops alert, the abrams has no belly hatch the M60 series does.
      Most Law enforcement personel do not have prior military experience( those that did in vietnam are retirement age now)
      But..... common sense would be nice. they lost Sophia because they had no plan to rally up if seperated. They did have some radios in season one including some (at least 2) police two-way's)where are they now?

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    6. "Most Law enforcement personal do not have prior military experience" That is rapidly changing esp the feds, the "contractors" are coming home and no private jobs to be had so they are signing on with homeland sec. they still dress like soldiers though so playing "spot the fed" isn't even challenging.

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  18. This is better than LOST :)

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  19. In regard to the assualt rifle issue, I nearly screamed at the T.V. when they failed to pick any of the many M-4's that where outside the CDC at the end of season one.

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  20. Its hollywood after all...most of the shots that the cast makes on the zombies would in reality be almost impossible or complete misses except for only the most accurate and seasoned, very well trained shooter. Most people, even those familiar and used to firearms cannot consistantly make a head shot on a target at ranges greater than 5 yards...and that is stretching it. Hell, Most police officers and soldiers are minimaly trained in actual gun fighting and cannot make those type shots with anyvregularity. One of my special operations qualification courses included making multiple failure to stop/head shots at ranges from 3 to 7 yards and sometimes a little further...but yourbtalking about operators who had put hundreds of thousands of rounds downrange, under duress, in combat conditions and trained 24/7. I think assault weapon thing would be great, but only for the longer range and magazine capacity....notvthe fire power. Your average shooter would still have trouble making those shots while stressed, physically fatiqued and shooting at a moving, albiet shambling target.

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  21. Wow, I love how this turned towards a political/gun rights forum all of a sudden over a FICTION TV show about a Zombie Virus Apocalypes. As a member of a family raised as a Democrat with 3 generations of combat veterans, avid hunters, card carrying NRA members, CCW permit carriers, assault weapon owners, we must be the only family in America that live this way. Ronald Reagan (who I thought was a great President) was a Hollywood actor, President of SAG, and a former Democrat that changed to the Republican party in the early sixties, so to say that Hollywood is a bunch of Liberals is an unfounded statement, can you say Charlton Heston?..you would be surprised how many Republican actors/writers there are in Hollywood. Plus to think that there's a conspiracy from Robert Kirkman & Glenn Mazzara to violate your gun rights is like saying that MAD MEN is stating we should bring back male chauvinism, sexism, smoking, drinking, and rasicm in the work place. BULLSHIT.

    As for the weapons selection, it's a TV show. There are a millions things from tactics, weapons selections, vehicle selection, power outages, firearms accuracy, food supplies, sanitary needs, etc, etc...the list can go on forever if you micro-analyze every frame. I know several of my friends love my AR but if SHTF they would rely on the weapons the are proficient and comfortable with, like their high powered rifles, handguns/revolvers, and even compound bows. I don't think Tom Knapp would have a problem using his shotguns over an AR, and watching Tom, I wouldn't want nothing but a shotgun in his hands. Just like Rick likes his revolver as Shane loved his semi-autos...but seems to me Rick is a deadly with his revolver. (Did love the fact they showed him picking up his brass for paossible reloads?) What's wrong with a crossbow? Very deadly, very quiet, can pierce light armor, send flaming arrows, etc. That being said, I know we will criticize the show, and that's OK, but to start conspiracy theories and political agenda views, that's for another persons Blog. Enjoy the show, go back to prepping, and stop sniffing the glue.

    -JJ

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  22. "so to say that Hollywood is a bunch of Liberals is an unfounded statement, can you say Charlton Heston?.."

    Uhm. Get out much?

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    1. I get out a lot, maybe too much. Mr. Heston was not a liberal but a Republican and the face of the NRA and that's why I mentioned his name. Should I add, Adam Sandler, Dennis Hopper, Tom Selleck, Chuck Norris, Angie Harmon, Alex Trebek, Craig T. Nelson, Jeff Foxworthy, John Wayne, John Hughes, Kurt Russel, Merv Griffin, James Wood, Gary Sinise, Kelsey Grammer, Jon Voight, Laura Prepon, Paul Sorvino, Tony Sirico, Walt Disney, Donald Trump, Sylvester Stallone, Mel Gibson, Al Michaels, Dennis Miller, Fred Thompson, Jimmy Stewart, Elizabeth Hasselbeck, Dennis Franz, Vince Vaughn, Ben Stein, Pat Sajak, Mary Hart, Heather Locklear, Jim Nabors, Joe Pesci, Jim Belushi, and the list goes on. It's America, there's going to be a mix of Republicans, Democrats, Independents, etc. in every city, community, and genre of businesses, so to say that Hollywood is a bunch of Liberals IS and unfounded statement.

      -JJ

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    2. I think what was meant was that most of who you site are dead, retired or not of any influence in the entertainment industry anymore.

      I'm a little shocked to see anyone attempt to paint the entertainment industry as not having an extreme left leaning bias. You are only listing actors and most of them from a bygone era. I wonder how long that list would be if we just included current Democratic actors? You have not included the writers, producers, directors who also greatly outnumber conservatives in their industry. 7 to 1 is the estimate.

      I was pretty sure everyone knew that Entertainment, the Teaching profession and NBC, CBS, CNN, ABC, MSNBC were dominated by those that lean left. I guess it's been kept a better secret than I thought.

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  23. Leave for a few days and we get weird things like the Walking Dead becoming liberal anti-gun propaganda???

    Guys, THE WALKING DEAD is about as far from being anti-gun as you're going to see on TV. Heck, Rick gives his 12 year old son a handgun and then Carl saves his life with the thing!

    While the characters may not be toting the latest in assault hardware, they are well armed and their firearms are portrayed in a positive, life-saving light. There's a comic book that they're generally sticking too, and the ARs don't come until later. It's entertainment, there's story, character and source material reasons why they're not decked out in high speed gear.

    Mowing down zombies with M2's is NOT the Walking Dead. If you're looking for that, go play Left 4 Dead 2 or something.

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  24. My gear is high speed.....its My old ass thats low drag.....and i do mean draggin.....slooooowwwww!!!!

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  25. Alex,

    I read at one time that the script was written in England. This is why we see Rick as a six shooter carrying deputy. Just maybe they are writing from what they only know and nothing more. After all good luck on finding a six shooter carrying deputy sheriff anywhere in the U.S. under the age of 70 much less a 30 something like Rick.Heck even the shotgun is going the way of the six shooter in favor of the AR platform.

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    1. Nope - it's written by Robert Kirkman, an American who lives in Kentucky. Here's his wikipedia page. He's hardly the picture of gun-hating European.

      While it may not be commonplace, there are still some who carry revolvers for duty purposes--at least I've seen 'em in the South.

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