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3/11/12

Open Thread: The Walking Dead

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Only two more episodes left! Some big rumors floating around about tonight's episode--most involving Shane--so I'm excited to see what materializes. We know we're going to see the aftermath of Dale's death and Randall's escape, but I can guarantee there will be some twists and turns along the way as they set up for the season closer!

This is your place to discuss tonight's episode, Better Angels.

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  1. WAY TO GO CARL!!!! Excellent shot I figure about a 25 meter head shot. Heck YEA!! That kid needs to go into Security contracting.

    Ray Ray

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  2. INTENSE! its about time rick had a talk with carl. as for shane, he had it comming. the zombification virus is concerning, if it goes airborne their all screwed. but it is probable that there was a mutation and it now transmits not only through saliva, but through blood, seeing that rick had used that knife to slay previous zombies, the blood to blood transfer infected shanes corpse. which also puts greater concern in regard to their security and defenses.. a barbed wire fence may be goood for cattle, zombies that dont feel anything, not so much!

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  3. We knew Shane was going to get it, only a matter of when and how. They need to focus on getting the walkers to go elsewhere, lure them away, and secure the perimeter.

    And for the love of Pete, someone needs to figure out how to make these people some holsters. Stuffing guns in one's pants is a great way to self inflict a GSW. Not to mention that guns tend to get lost/dropped that way...

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    1. For what it's worth, in previous episodes, I think Shane has used an IWB holster for his Glock in previous episodes.

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  4. Everyone has the virus. It's passive/dormant -- if you die you turn. It's also active as another strain -- if you get bitten you fever up and turn after dying.

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    1. Yep, now we're in Romero territory, where anyone who dies turns shortly afterwards. Not that there are a lot of "living" left to worry about.

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  5. Ya i agree with Anon--everyone seems to have caught a dormant form of the virus. One of the best episodes of the series--looking forward to next week!

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  6. The previews for next week don't show a herd of Walkers but a swarm... so much for being off the beaten track...

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  7. ctsheepdogMarch 12, 2012

    Anon @ 5:30 - The "beaten path" is not beaten until folks start to take it....

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  8. Aand Shane got it, not because he wanted to kill Rick, but cause he took so long, wtf.... if you wana kill someone do it in their sleep, shoot em in the back, or something, don't go waving your gun and stuff. Shane should have acted a lot smarter in the way to kill Rick, im disappointed at this.

    Kid shooting zombies head from 15-20m is unreal.

    Aand i agree whit anonymous that said stuff about dormant virus.

    PS: And way to go Rick, finally you found your man sacks and dealt whit Shane, should have done it the moment you found out that he made moves on your women.

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    1. Right on with that Shane vs. Rick call! I thought for a minute it was going to go down like it did at the bar. Rick holsters his weapon and he and Shane have a high noonesque draw to see who is faster. It would have made it a: 1) fair fight and 2) way more believable. Good lesson here is, if you pull your weapon use it, fast. Otherwise go home.

      Hoping this awesome show does not go the way of Falling Skies now that rick is gone and just turn into a highly unbelievable, overacted pile of crap.

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    2. ????

      Why would an old western style duel be more believable?

      Shane was mentally disturbed...part of him wanted to kill Rick, part of him didn't. That's why you saw the hesitation, the talking, etc.

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  9. Now that they killed Shane off ... this show is dead for. >.<

    I don't understand all the psycho Shane bullshit that goes in this show, sure He dies in the comic, but the Shane we had here was better, baddass no nonsense dude.

    Now this show will be drama x1000.

    This ain't the Walking Dead now, it is the Dead and Rick sissy squad.

    Why not have Randal escape, and then have the MZB gang jump on them ? That would have been awesome.

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  10. If it continues to follow the lines of the comic we are just getting started. There are MAJOR characters that haven't even been introduced yet. Don't get your panties in a bunch because the one person you feel did everything the way your self described Rambo personality would have is dead. There is still much to come.

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    1. Severs is right on. Next season will introduce the Governor, who is about as evil and bad as bad guys come. It is hardly going to become the "Sissy Squad"--you saw Rick make the tough decision and jam a knife into his best friend's heart. This is NOT going to become an episode of Golden Girls or Full House anytime soon.

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  11. Why don't they just do what was done in "Shawn of the Dead"? Just act like walkers and they'll leave you alone!

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    1. They did that in season one. Remember they rubbed guts and other innards from a walker all over themselves to get to the truck.

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  12. How did Daryl survive when he fell on that arrow, when he has used those arrows over and over again to kill walkers?

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    1. He wipes the arrows on his pants after to clean them off. LOL

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  13. The way it seems the walkers can smell the difference between living human flesh and zombies. They would have to repeat what Rick and Glen did is season1 by smearing zombie guts all over themselves. Interesting what was said above bout Rick killing zombies with the same knife he killed Shane. How bout the bolts Darrel uses to kill zombies and then uses the same to hunt food with.

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  14. It's not the contaminated blade or arrows that turned Shane/others. It is something in them already. Notice how Randall had his neck broken by Shane but still turned into a zombie. Id doesn't matter how you die. If you die, you will come back as a zombie.

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    1. Guys, I'm not going to tolerate an abundance of foul language. Take that elsewhere.

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    2. Thank you Sir; I appreciate your standards! The foul language adds nothing to the discussion...

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    3. Yes. I for one welcome our new overlords and think all language considered foul or offensive be removed from the public discourse.

      Unless of course our new overlords like foul language... then I think foul language is a colorful way to make a point in laymans terms. Errr...

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  16. Glad to see Rick finally deal with Shane...should have been done long ago. I think you guys are on the right track with the dormant virus thing. As far as leadership of the group..even though Rick is slow to act, always gives the benefit of the doubt and is indecisive...he always has the groups best interest in mind....cannot say the same for Shane. Shane was hot headed, a danger to anyome who disagreed with him and no matter how good his intentions seemed...he always had a personal/selfish motive for his actions. If he was in my group, he would havr been removed long ago.

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  17. Shane deserved to go and I think the way it happened was good and written for tv, in real life he would have shot Rick in the back of the head a long time ago. Shane did not have the safety and best interest of the group in mind, he only had the best interest of him, his woman(Ricks wife) and carl in mind and everyone else would have been sacrificed just like Otis eventually. Don't know what the comics are like but there seems to be some good developments coming..

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    1. Uhmm... let's review..

      Shane shot Otis.. (Otis, the guy who shot Carl? Member him?) in order to ensure Carl got life saving medical equipment so he could heal... from being shot by Otis....

      Shane took care of the zombies in the barn while Rick was too busy helping "round" up more of them... (brilliant)

      Carl (Rick's brat kid whom he can't teach any discipline) is responsible for the death of Dale by irresponsibly releasing a zombie nearby the farm and not warning anyone.

      Rick is the one who left a little girl alone in the woods with a bunch of zombies.

      Rick is the one who later shot the same zombified girl in the head.

      Rick is the one who was going to release the MZB back into the wild .. who we now know WAS going to go back to his group "along the highway" and surely lead them back to the farm (thanks Shane.. for deceiving that rat into finally telling the truth before you killed him). Oh if only the writers would allow Rick's plan to go through so the kid could go back to his buddies and show up later at the farm and rape and pillage that entire cast...

      Ah yes... Rick the good guy.. the genius... once again saved from being responsible for the death of the whole group by the actions of Shane.

      Then Rick kills Shane... (who was so committed to killing Rick that he just stood there with a gun in his hand while Rick walked up and stabbed him.... uh huh... great writing morons.)


      PS. We all know that Rick isn't acting selfishly by trying to protect his wife and Carl?? Right?? I mean Rick would certainly sacrifice both of them for the "good of the group"... right?? Unlike Shane..

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    2. You got it right bro, Rick is the moron putting everyone constantly in danger, and Shane is the one that kept people safe and had done thing right.

      Even the best action scenes so far have been Shane Hospital run with Otis and Daryl episode, Rick is such a talkative idiot.

      I was rooting for the kid to be released so we could see Shane kick Dale and Rick butt for being morons.

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    3. whether or not Randall ended up going back to his group doesn't matter. The directors have already cast an actor as "the governor" who was in charge of a group of around 30 people in the comics, which quite plausibly could be Randall's group. So even with Randall dead the group is still going to have unpleasant encounters with his group.

      And honestly, if SHTF I'm just gonna ask "who liked Shane better than Rick on walking dead? ok, y'all GTFO and if I ever see you again I will shoot on sight." I don't want him or any who think his actions were the proper course with me.

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    4. LOL.. tough guy alert.

      If you are a Rick fan... then I think any Shane fan would "Rick roll" you while you were in the midst of saying "..ok y'all GT..."

      Ah... internet tough guys. What would life be without them. :-)

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  18. So glad Shane is finally gone, but now I'm hoping Rick's wife gets it too. She is such a trouble maker! *hate*
    This was one of the best episodes of the year! Love it!

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  19. Excellent episode tonight. Here's some of my thoughts:

    - Lori's "apology" to Shane is what drove him over the edge. He saw an opportunity to get her back and went nuts over it. He was going to go to any lengths to try to get her back...

    - The zombie virus has now moved into "Romero" stage, where anyone who dies, of whatever causes, will reanimate shortly there after. This was established with Randall and then Shane's reanimation.

    - The scene with Rick and Shane was great...Rick kept it together, hatched a plan and used deception and speed to take Shane out. Excellent, and whoever they have consulting on action scenes is pretty good. Not your typical Hollywood fare.

    - Despite hatching the murder plan, Shane was still conflicted about whether or not he wanted to murder his best friend. That's why you saw the argument, posturing and so on between the two. Rick has also demonstrated an ability to talk sense into Shane in the past.

    - The show is NOT going to go down the gutter without Shane. I'm sad to see him go, he was a great character and well acted. But, the show has lots of good stuff in store--new characters to introduce and definitely some bigger/badder threats than they've ever faced.

    - While Rick has made some questionable calls, he's quickly adapting to the new reality. He did not hesitate when he had to kill Shane. You'll see him become less and less of the good guy and more of the survivor--one of the themes of the comic series.

    - I'm pumped for the Night of the Living Dead style zombie assault for the season closer next week! Should be good.

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  20. RomeroNJulietMarch 12, 2012

    I'm surprised that nobody patted our group on the back for FINALLY thinking about some security. They were walking/driving the perimeter fences, and actually found several walkers eating some prime beef. If they hadn't gone out there, in the full light of day, more of the herd (or the group) could easily have become zombie chow. Nice way to honor Dale's memory. Guards have been posted and fortifications considered. Kudos to Hershel (born-again prepper?!) for putting some food away in the basement, enough to keep the whole group going for a few days in case they are forced to "Bug-in". And finally they are moving indoors for the foreseeable future, though I still find it odd that it was the weather, rather than the threat of being eaten alive, that forced the decision. They are finally taking the dangers of their surroundings into account, and not a moment too soon...as the hungry horde marches up to their doorstep.

    I agree with Mr. Wolf, and others, that we've entered into Romero territory, and I like the concept of a dormant AND an active virus, rather than the Romeo-verse's "cosmic radiation". I couldn't be happier! A bunch of zombies pounding on the boarded up windows of a farmhouse...so retro! Let's just hope they do a bit better than the crew from "Night of the Living Dead". They certainly have more ammo and more capable shooters, however, a good escape plan must be devised on the fly.

    Has anybody considered the idea that Shane wanted to die, and was just waiting for someone to pull the trigger? He killed Otis out of a sense of necessity and revenge, and he killed Randal out of (perhaps) some half-crazy fantasy of winning Lori back. However, he never shot Dale, even when he goaded Dale into aiming his rifle point blank. And he never actually shot Rick, even though he had his sights on him for a LONG time. Granted, Shane could assume that either "good guy" wouldn't actually have the guts or moral flexibility to pull the trigger. Some might say that Shane did it to stroke his own ego. Maybe he wanted to be the toughest kid on the playground? I can see that, of course. But consider, for a moment, that some part of Shane wanted to be put down, like a rabid dog. If you read any Freud, you learn that we all struggle daily with a desire for love and a desire for death. This tension must become far more intense when one struggles for survival against the walking dead. Andrea struggled with her desire to die, maybe this was Shane's way of dealing with his own suicidal urges? Rick just called his bluff..

    These sorts of observations are only possible because the writers/creators of this show are making some bold choices and creating some very complex characters. We can discuss the pros and cons of the events in the show, but people who think the writing is bad just aren't looking deeply enough at the content.

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    1. Romero

      Tell me about your mother?

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  21. I see that there are a lot of Rick Haters out there. It has been my experience after working in Afghanistan for 7 years under austier conditions that I think all the Rick Haters are somewhat wrong. I have seen the most poorest of bullet ridden areas where the people are at the mercy of someone else go out of their way to help one another (other than Americans. Not just on one occasion But time and time again. There is a world full of Ricks out there. And I will not give up my values as I know that there are a lot of other people who will help out when they can.

    Now before I get slammed by a bunch of people, I am a team medic for Personnel Security teams. I (and team) am the man that takes care of our VIPs when they go to bad places. And I have seen TEOTWAWKI or SHTF for 7 years. Trust me there are alot of good people in the world and regardless of the situation they remain so regardless of race religion or nationality. NOW Here is the BUT, there are alot of people that are truly evil that need to be removed from this Earth. Rick is an optimists and will help out when he can. Rick is learning as we all would be in a bad situation.

    You can still protect your group but yet still help people in need with what you have even if it is simply holding a persons hand as they pass away.

    One last Item I saw that some one out there was kind of skeptical about a 25 meter shot with side arm. The last contract I was on required that we qualify at 25 meters 30 out of 40 shots must hit center mass from 4 positions and timed. Easy...Well except for me my average is 33 out of 40 but the team average is probably about 38. I have always been the weakest shooter on the team but I am a medic so I catch a break.

    Ray Ray

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  22. I think the comment was about a 25m head shot by Carl.

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  23. I don't know why everyone is talking about 25M its more like 8 to 10M at most, there wasn't 75 feet between Carl and zombie Shane, more like 10-12 from carl to rick and 10-15 feet from rick to Shane.

    Also, if it wasn't for Rick's character, Shane's character would be as awesome, it create contrast and charter development.

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  24. So forward looking question ...

    How would you organize your defenses given the current situation of the zombie swarm approaching?

    If you had time to make additional improvements, what would they be?

    Personally, I would circle the house with a double fence set about 10 feet apart with sally ports to protect the inner area. Second, it would be nice to have an armored vehicle to drive through the horde and mow them down.

    What would be your plan?

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  25. Was thinking about the defences...most farms usually have a good amount of diesel fuel on hand or in storage....if so, might be worth it to create a "pitch trap"...saturate a line of ground like a mote at one of the fence lines with a mixture of diesel/straw, between the house and the woodline, far enough away to keep from setting the house on fire, but close enough to be a last line of perimeter defense. once the horde gets into the pitch line, light it up....fire destroys zombies, it kills the virus and the way they stagger around, bumping into each other, they would set each other on fire as they went, be a good way to eliminate alot of zombies, without wasting alot of ammo. anyway, just an idea. trip wire set out in consentric circles around the perimeter of the house may work too...at different levels from close to the ground to eye level...if you had access to enough wire or fencing, zombies arent particulary coordinated, would be hard for them to navigate or get through, buy some time in eliminating them one by one, instead of being charged by a large group all at once.

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  26. My thoughts...
    Dormant virus: I've been thinking the whole show, how they are they not infecting themselves, when they are getting zombie blood on them? Maybe the dormant virus is the answer to that question. Would be cool to see some zombies in the future that can communicate. Perhaps they are able to partially fight the virus inside.

    Security. Seriously. Between the gunshots during the day and other noise from the group, they tent dwellers should have been eaten long ago. Who can honestly sleep under those conditions. But now... I'm thinking a mote would be very cool. Would be better if they could get some construction equipment. A mote covered with hay that would allow the walkers to fall in. The comes the fire. Perhaps strategically posted piles of walkers or hay or something that could be ignited by flaming arrow.

    so glad to see that Shane has been dealt with. I hope it doesn't wear on Rick for too long. Rick is a good guy, try to come to terms with a new world. I think with Shane out of the picture, we'll see more of a "night of the living dead" feel to how the group bands together to work things out. No other member of the group the "leader" type.

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  27. They are in real trouble. They have Rick, Daryl, and Hershel that can shoot. You have Andrea who thinks she is all that and thankfully she can't shoot or Daryl would not be alive. You have Lori who is worthless. Glen who takes too long to get over each kill to be worth more than one zombie. Carl who is only good for stealing people's guns. Hershels family that are only good for feeding people so now they get to feed the zombies. And Tdog who is not much good for anything that is why they treat him like one of the women, he never pulls extra duty and gets left behind when the men go out to take care of business.

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    1. I think Glen has no problem really axing zombies... he's not much good against other people though (so far). Tdog has been doing patrols but never gets much play time on the road. I think he was a bit of a Shane supported, which is why he may have been overlooked.

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  28. A thought about the 'dormant virus' from one who never read the comic books: The name of the show is 'The Walking Dead', which can very well imply that EVERY person, alive or already a zombie, has the virus. Each of the living persons are 'Walking Dead' already, they just need to die in order to become a zombie.

    BTW, love the show and hope the producers keep it going for years to come. I don't want to see this show get dropped/cancelled the way the 'Sarah Connor Chronicles' did, where the show was cancelled even though the ratings and viewership were very high.

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