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2/14/12

Doomsday Preppers Open Thread


Here's your place to discuss tonight's episode of Doomsday Preppers? What did you think of the "preppers" featured? How is the show shaping up--pro-preparedness or trying to paint the prepared like nut jobs? Let us know what's on your mind!

27 comments :

  1. The father who shot his thumb really should have been paying more attention to what the heck he was doing. The guy with the half-acre set up had a nice amount of food and a great way to use space, but it didn't look like he had any way of defending what he had, except for maybe those monster squashes. The New-Yorker who was preparing specifically for a super-volcanoe should also be planning for more likely events like economic downturns, extended power outages, etc. Also, some of his knives are just plain "show knives" that look kick a$$, but would only bust if he actually tried to use them. Anyways, the show seems to be doing a decent job of not making people look like whack jobs who are just itching for a fight. I do think that the "experts" are underplaying the chances of certain events as well. Rant over...

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    1. I love the idea of this program. However, it sucks that they make preppers look stupid. Why not use folks who can speak and act in an educated manner. We are not all rednecks and retards. If this show made me think of prepping for the first time, I'd pass.
      I think a prepper should be portrayed as one who is clever and responsible.

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  2. Embarrassment chronicled forever. Gun did not miss-fire. In fact it fired perfectly into the thumb in front of the barrel. Reminder to self! Safety really is number one er thumb. You can't get lax on safety and not eventually pay a price. And as easy a target as he is: I will not hammer on him. Instead I will use it as a stand down or whatever you want to call it to evaluate me and my family's safety. We are all human but no erasures with this. I remind myself that how I teach my children will be handed down to my grandchildren. I want my grandchildren around long enough to hand it down to their grandchildren.

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  3. I think both of you guys are spot on. I found it odd that the show tried to portray the ND as a malfunction...having your thumb in front of the barrel when you pull the trigger is not a mechanical malfunction, it's a training failure. Because the show didn't provide any details around how the accident happened, I would guess it was with a handgun, and probably during some kind of drawing from the holster. It's a fairly common mistake for people to sweep their support hand during the draw...and when you add in pulling the trigger, you get a nearly blown off thumb.

    Anyways, important to get training, avoid showboating and pay attention to what you're doing!!!

    I was a little underwhelmed by the rest of the episode.

    The firefighter was in shape, but a) had some crappy "fantasy" knives as his self defense plan and b) lived in NYC. If you can't have firearms, I'd look at a spear for a melee work, and potentially a crossbow or bow for ranged work. Black powder guns might be an option too--a cap n' ball revolver or howda gun would certainly be better than chucking rocks. Hiking 4 blocks, on your own, in post-collapse Harlem, to retrieve supplies would not be a positive experience.

    The urban gardening family had some good food production capabilities, but backed onto an 11 lane freeway in what looked like California. They had no defense plans or capabilities, and their backyard farm would quickly be stripped clean by looters and the refugees in an extended crisis. I haven't seen an urban farming set up that would be "feasible" after a major collapse...you would need the support of a large group to defend it, and then you wouldn't be able to feed all of them.

    I thought it was funny that the Southern gentleman was so concerned about his operational security that he'd built an extensive hidden room...and then went on NATIONAL TV and showed everyone where it was located and how to get in. Come on! He did have some nice guns, though!

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  4. hmmm real nice show as always but few points:
    on person whit thumb.
    Gun didn't misfire, clearly his own fault for having thumb there as all of you said. i think it happened whit rifle prob .22 or soming like that. Probably he held rifle's barrel in his hand and rested stock on ground, gun fired for some reason and thats why they called it misfire.
    on firefighter guy.
    Don't bring knife to a gunfight. get Blackpowder if you cant get normal. get crossbow if you cant get blackpowder. crossbow is still very very viable weapon.
    also don't bother whit katana's unless you willing to train how to use it and spend atleast 1-2k on it in price. I own several swords and can say from expirience that if you don't know how to use sword you going to get injured, and in worse case thats going to be your leg. in end of the world situation if you cant walk you dead. Some of knives where decoration only, i'd use old military or hunter knife. Hunting one made for heavy duty can be pricy but will last lifetime (got my'n for 290 but totally worth it, the only knife you need)
    ooh yeah and the last guy whit lots and lots of guns, man i drooled when i saw em all gun's.
    However i must say you really don't need that much but i think hes just collecting guns for fun so its ok.
    As for hidden room.... pointless to have if you show it on national tv.... but.... 6-12 months will pass and most ppl will forget that he got it. so its ok i gess.

    PS: This episode made me wana buy more guns.... damn

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  5. So what does everyone think about the comment, in response to prepping for hyper-inflation, that "experts" believe that inflation is only going to go up by 2% over the next several years? I wonder if those "experts have been to the gas station or grocery store lately.

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    1. thats clearly one of thous "bullthingys" that bulls drop from their ass.
      Cost of life as i like to call it has been going up and not just in US.

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    2. i dont trust what the news and their statistics say. I trust more in what I see of the economy with my own eyes...incr prices at the pump and in the grocery store, longer lines at food kitchen and unemployment offices.

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    3. I caught the 2% comment as well... I'm like really? I consider it not only to be a likely event- but reality! Unfortunately :o

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  6. Honestly, the best thing I can say about the program is that Preppers shown are portrayed as (to quote the HitcHikers's Guide) "mostly harmless" not "domestic terrorists". I was not impressed.

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  7. I liked the tool the first guy made does anyone know if thou can buy one or what he called it

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  8. The tool he "created" was pretty much the same thing from the book World War Z. A modified e-tool they nicknamed the "lobo." But even there it was not really "first", soldiers have been using the e-tool as makeshift weapons for quite a while now.

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  9. I found the tool, it is called a Crovel.

    http://www.crovelfoldingshovel.com/

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  10. I think the producers are going for sensational and making preppers looks like Idiots, especially the very dismissive ''Not gonna happen'' comments at the end of each segment.

    In more specific I felt bad for the fat guy in episode 2, especially since I have been battling weight problems for 3 years, and I am trying to shape up by doing weight lifting.

    I am with Jark Spirko page, you can have the most interesting prep, and these people do have impressive gear, but what does it serve if you are not prepared to lose your job ?

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  11. Pamba - You point to something I said after the original episode: why the focus on each segment's participant's single articulated concern. I have not yet seen the latest episode but from the comments above, they all sound similar. That is, all focused on some single threat: Earth gravitational shift, EMP, oil crisis, financial meltdown, pandemic, etc. This gives the narrator an opportunity at the end to say "While Susie is moderately prepared for hyperinflation, most economists suggest that such an event is extremely unlikely." Instant dismissal of the concern and a implied suggestion that the person profiled at least out of the mainstream, if not crazy.

    Anyone reading this is concerned about any of the above threats and I am willing to believe that most of those profiled on the show are also conscious of the multiple threats. Why won't the producers of the show allow that general thread assessment be discussed? Why does each party have to have a threat du jour?

    If you have not already, I highly recommend you check out the blog Union Creek Journal. I was first turned on to it by the mention here by T-blog himself and became an instant fan. I am in the finance business and the summary of the cascade that is the collapse of the financial system is all too possible. NOT likely but very possible and far more possible than the "experts" will admit. Part normalcy bias, part lack of imagination and part hubris that all the smart folks will save us leads to much denial, at least in public.

    If you have not treated yourself to it, I recommend the quick read of the first entry of this "journal". Thanks t-blog for the mention.

    http://unioncreekjournal.wordpress.com/2011/12/07/the-new-normal-november-2-2014/

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  12. I agree with PreppedButHopeful on the program "spin". I still watch, even when it annoys me, just for other folks' inputs.

    A VERY purposely silly, but applicable analogy for probabilty/possibility. Write the name of one "possible threat" (supervolcano, bank collapse, Martian Invasion, job-loss, whatever) on each pellet in a single-0 shotgun shell with a marker. Load and fire at a target at, say, 20 yards.

    It is "very unlikely" that any individual pellet is going to hit that target. It is equally "very likely/possible" that there will be at least 1 hole in the target. You only need 1 hole to hurt.

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    1. That's my perspective. While there's a low risk of any one individual event happening, there are so many different potential "events" that the chance of SOMETHING happening becomes much more plausible.

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  13. PreppedButHopefulFebruary 16, 2012

    I live in a very affluent area in the Northeast. Every now and then, the concept of preparedness will come up with acquaintances, usually after some weather-related event. I can think of only two families we know who think even remotely like we do and one of them is a local cop.

    The rest, particulalry the hedge fund types, refuse to even consider a scenario of societal breakdown. Partly because it is something these masters of the universe can not control. Partly because to consider such a thing old mean their comfortable lives changing forever. Then, even when they will entertain the thought, they think they can money whip the issue after "something" happens and enough dollars will take care of things. One guy suggested he would go to a local gun store and just buy everything they had that he needed. Seems he does not have a CCW and was ignorant of the state's 14 day waiting period. He also seemed to think that merely having guns was the same as being trained to use them.

    All the money they could ever spend but not an ounce of humility to appreciate money can't fix some things....

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  14. ..Not too bad of an episode. I concur with most of the comments on the "malfunction", the malfunction was improper handling of the firearm. The Crovel was nice but nothing new, during my time in the service we were issued a folding shovel that we use to sharpen one side edge for hacking brush.
    I also agree with the the lack of quality of knives the NY firefighter had in his arsenal. One or two decent Ontario, Ka-Bar, S.O.G., Gerber, or even a lower end Smith & Wesson bowie would be better off than those twin blade dagger fantasy knives. As for the Flea Market swords, one attack from someone with a bat would defeat the poor swordsmanship. Crossbow, compound bow, collapsible baton, black powder, a shotgun (because even in NY it is still considered a sporting gun) would be an easy and effective addition.
    As for the "Garden of Eden", very nice garden, but I would need more canned meat. Plus a little creepy with all three adult kids living at home..almost like a commune. No real defense system or plans similar to the lady and her family from past episode, by killing them with kindness. Let me know how that works out. Their place will become a 7-11 when words gets out they have fresh fruits and vegetables, goats, chickens, oil/fuel, and hate to say it but also daughters.
    Overall the show has shown the do's and don'ts of preppers by several points of views, if you believe everything on the show you will probably be worse off then any of them. The expert assestment is just that, an assestment. No one can predict the future, you have to prep for your own situation and location accordingly. I, for one, live in a Hurricane state and prep for local social, economical, caused by a disaster situation requiring of either bugging out for several days or bugging in and riding out the storm with the means to provide a safe and protective home for myself, family, and friends. This show has opened plenty of eyes to the fact there are people out there from minimal preppers to the extremist that being prepared is not always a bad thing, so for that I'm thankful this show is becoming popular.
    -JJ

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  15. SurvivalTomes.com

    In Zimbabwe inflation has been as high as 231,150,888.87%. That's 231 million percent. "Well that could never happen here in the good ol' US of A!" Don't be so sure. All you need is a reckless government (check) that spends FAR more than it takes in (check) and thinks it can make up for it by just printing more money (check.) Nowadays they don't even need to print the money--most of the "money" the Fed creates is actually digital. So with a few clicks of a mouse the Fed can "print" billions, even trillions of dollars. What happened in Zimbabwe is people eventually just abandoned the currency and either traded goods or used currencies of different countries. If the hyper-inflation happened with the USD first international dollar holders would dump it (already happening--further bring down the dollar's value) and then eventually the US population would start dumping it in favor of other currencies--maybe gold, maybe silver, maybe the Euro... This would spur inflation on even more. Since we have a floating dollar its "value" is only what people are willing to pay for it. You can't just go to the government and trade $20 for a guaranteed amount of gold--like in the good old days. To say hyper-inflation in the US is unrealistic is just wishful thinking.

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  16. I think that this is Nat Geo's way of participating in the main stream media's propaganda campaign to minimize what's going on in the world today. Let's face it, the show features some extreme preppers and to the average Joe in suburbia, these people seem like loons. I know personally that some of my friends and family think I'm crazy doing some of the things I do. We look at this show with a different eye than those who see it as pure entertainment.

    My guess is that 8 out of 10 people who watch the show, watch it as for the same reason as they watch any other reality show... simple entertainment. They watch it for the same reason that they watch the show featuring country folks from the deep south vacationing in the Hamptons.

    While I personally believe the chances are good that we will see some sort of calamitous event in the next 10-15 years, most of us that prep will use our resources during more common events such as power outages from a snow or ice storm, hurricanes and tornadoes. No matter who you are or where you live you should at least prepare for these common occurrences. They are real and happen somewhere almost weekly.

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  17. I finally got the chance to see the show today. I only recently had my cable turned back on. (turned it off when I felt it was cutting into my prep budget...lol...told the wife it was for other reasons) I was VERY annoyed that the threats were downplayed at the end of the episodes. There was one good thing that came out of watching them though. I watched them with my wife. She is not 100% on board with my prepping, and compared to most the the people on the program, my preps seem tame, which she commented on. It also opened up some serious discussions about teotwawki. She said that she definatley feels safer knowing what we DO have. I think she may no longer view my preps as a "waste of money". You can't put a price on "piece of mind".

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  18. It's snowing here today - not enough to stick,barely enough to see, and the NOAA alert calls for "1-3 inches after midnight" . When I drove past my favorite grocery store, the parking lot was full, and panicked people could be seen loading bread, milk and toilet paper (the official national foods of Snow) into their cars. If a real emergency occurs, even a minor one, we need to be ready to get along on what we have.

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  19. I for one am very glad for these shows as it finally has convinced my family (parents, siblings & spouses) that we should get together and really do joint prepping. Most of my family has been real reluctant to listen to me and I have not pushed things hard. Now after this show my family is coming to me and we are going to have a meeting and start really getting things going. So due to this I am thinking this is the BEST SHOW EVER!

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  20. I enjoyed the episode.....Not sure how ole' boy blew his thumb off but oh well. I got some good ideas from the gardening folks, but I have to say the firefighting ninja might do better with a k-bar and a can of pepper spray. Ive just started prepping in the last 2 weeks and 3 of my coworkers (just today) were almost mortified that I have plans to go to the LDS dispensary this weekend for a starter kit and a few #10 cans of other stuff. Oh well...when the shit is droppin dont come knockin =D

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  21. They are all a bunch of paranoid wingnuts

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  22. The poor fellow that shot his thumb off, I can tell you exactly how he done it. There are several urban legends of making silencers for .22 rifles with heater hose slipped over the end of the barrel, or a 2 liter bottle filled with cotton, or a baby bottle, so on and so forth. In my much younger days i tried all of the above. During my testing process on this the very first time with a heater hose, I spent an hour constructing in drilling nice neat little holes evenly spaced through it. Then came the daunting part of it,,, attaching the appendage to the rifle. I went to slip it right over the end of the barrel according to all the sage advice I had heard but the sight was in the way. For about two seconds I thought about holding the home made silencer up to the end of the barrel and test fire. Then thank goodness common sense kicked in. I simply removed the front sight and slipped it over the end of the barrel. When i did fire the gun, two things happened the first was it was just as loud, the second is the bullet exited the barrel and as bullets do they drop just as soon as they clear,, when it did it promptly went through the hose on the bottom less than an inch from the end of the barrel, just about where my thumb would have been. When I seen the show, I knew exactly what happened, he was showing off or testing out the "silencer" theory, and of course they will not show it or tell how it happened they are afraid of getting him into legal trouble, or themselves. And by the way no other methods worked either.

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